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The “Children In Cages” discussion. The Vital background information you need to know!

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The “Children In Cages” discussion.

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The Vital background information you need to know!
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Karen Brown
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Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton? Then, you need a little Facts vs Myths lesson. Michelle Martin, PhD Cal State Fullerton summed up the most important FACTS:
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There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I'll make it easier for you:
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Myth 1 of 9:
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This is not a new policy and was practised under Obama and Clinton -
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FALSE.
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The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit.
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1049751/download?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery
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Myth 2 of 9:
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This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration -
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FALSE.
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Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it legally more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers.
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https://www.npr.org/2017/12/05/568546381/arrests-for-illegal-border-crossings-hit-46-year-low?t=1529650057394
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Myth 3 of 9
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Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs -
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FALSE.
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Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/21/us/meatpackers-profits-hinge-on-pool-of-immigrant-labor.html
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Myth 4 of 9
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We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get -
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FALSE.
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We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labour, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do.
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/Opinion/2016/10/26/Donald-Trumps-wall-ignores-the-economic-logic-of-undocumented-immigrant-labor/2621477498203/
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Myth 5 of 9
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The children have to be separated from their parents because their parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents -
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FALSE.
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First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanour not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centres," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18
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https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/ms-l-v-ice-plaintiffs-opposition-defendants-motion-dismiss-doc-56
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Myth 6 of 9:
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We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum.
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FALSE.
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The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements:
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/oct/19/jeff-sessions/jeff-sessions-claim-about-asylum-system-fraudulent
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Myth 7 of 9:
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The Democrats caused this, "it's their law."
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FALSE.
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Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanour for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centres, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-democrats-us-border-migrant-families-children-parents-mexico-separate-a8401521.html
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Myth 8 of 9:
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The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized.
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FALSE.
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Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are sent into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centres.
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https://www.aclu.org/news/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-widespread-abuse-child-immigrants-us-custody
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Myth 9 of 9:
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This policy is legal.
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LIKELY FALSE.
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The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-07/aclu-suit-over-child-separations-at-border-may-proceed-judge
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The following text is all my own personal comments (Ross Lombardi) and not those of Karen Brown
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Personal Note on Myth 9 of (This policy is legal).
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Excuse My French, but....
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FUCK LEGAL!
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Morality should be your compass, not what's legal!
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Legal and moral are not the same thing!
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Jesus's crucifixion was "legal" under Roman law.
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The Holocaust was "legal" under the Nazi government!
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It was once "legal" to own slaves!
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Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi's protest and action were "Ilegal" under British Colonial Law.
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So I say again!
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FUCK LEGAL!
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Be Moral!
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If you have decent counter sources (rather than mere Apocrypha from a Bar) then feel free to supply them any to rebuttal you decide to make!
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And don't go complaining and bitching about the references, evidence and proof unless you actually have some of your own of equal amount and validity.
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It's like having some scutter idiot shouting at you as you drive in your car by that,
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"Your car is shit! Mate!",
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While they are still having to wait for a bus!
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HERE IS YOUR "GOOD" REASON FOR THE 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS! 

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Dear USA! 
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Detained children in ICE camps?! 

The very purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to fight "THIS" sort of tyranny!! 

Not, so people can shoot up schools! 

GUN OWNERS! 
LOOK! 
OVER THERE! 
There is your Tyranny! 
GO Fetch!! . !
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EFFECTS OF FAMILY SEPARATION: 
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A 7- or 8-year-old boy was separated from his father, without any explanation as to why the separation occurred. The child was under the delusion that his father had been killed and believed that he would also be killed. This child ultimately required emergency psychiatric care to address his mental health distress. 
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– Program director
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Physical symptoms felt by separated children are manifestations of their psychological pain. You get a lot of “my chest hurts,” even though everything is fine [medically]. Children describe symptoms, “Every heartbeat hurts,” “I can’t feel my heart,” of emotional pain.
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- Medical director
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Separated children experienced heightened feelings of anxiety and loss as a result of their unexpected separation from their parents after their arrival in the United States. For example, some separated children expressed acute grief that caused them to cry inconsolably.
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Read More from this report: 
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U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General: 
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"A Knock on the door" 
"When The Nazi Ice Agents Cometh" 
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A2 
Oil Pastel!
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When a 7-year-old girl is allowed to die of dehydration in a facility mere meters away from a water tap!
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If things have gotten this bad.
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When things have gotten to this point!
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Then have the “Far Right” has already won?


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A comment from an individual on Myth 8 of 9 above!
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"Ross Edward Fortune Lombardi if your OCD makes you such a great talent in research how did you not see that the first article stated that the abuse was happening during the years 2009-2014? The years of Obama, therefore the Democrats started it, or at least carried it on after Bush."
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My Response,
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To clarify, I am answering the Question of when the endemic abuse started in detention centres not “Whether the Democrats started it”,
(Both of which is answered separately in “Myths 7 of 9” and “Myths 1 of 9” posted directly above.)
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Because the investigation started FROM 2014,
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Obviously, at that time, it was not the Trump administration that was being investigated but rather the organisational structure and integrity of certain (Not all! Some!) immigration services (Who in 2014 was still working from an outdated protocol whose foundations were based on a 1967 structure.)
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NOTE: FROM 2014 onwards....
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Although the last few years have obviously concentrated more resources on the Pence /Trump policies and their effects.
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That word “FROM” is important!
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The same way a store sign might say prices “FROM” $1 but the vast majority of their stock cost significantly more than that.!
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In one particular way, the initial article was in error.
The evidence is ‘FROM’ 2014 to present day.... it has not stopped being gathered.
It did not stop being collated in 2014 but still continues.
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An early (now outdated) first version of this report can be found here,
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https://www.dropbox.com/.../CBP%20Report%20ACLU_IHRC%205...
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If you respond in a sensible tone or ask nicely I will hunt down and present links to more up to date reports within 24 hours of receiving your request.
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(Although I should not have to do it for you, you are a grown-up that could do it yourself!)
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If I remember correctly from memory alone, the last substantial backed published material will be dated around 2-3 years ago. I can not get material any later than that because it would be sensitive material that is still part of the ongoing investigations.
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(Although obviously because such investigations are being mistakenly seen as more a political attack rather than a criminal investigation, the work has become a lot more difficult as far more proficient and expensive lawyers have become involved!)
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The institutionalised poisonous endemic culture found in some (SOME ! NOT ALL!) Immigration detection organisations was first identified in from 2014,
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Things have gotten almost to hard to imagine insane almost unbelievable “Game of Thrones” type level since about, ish, within 3 months of King Pence and Princess Trump’s reign!
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And while the last paragraph used darkening satire, don’t let that detract you from the fact that tonight a group of individuals in American uniform are highly likely to be meandering through cells of traumatised children and casually selecting their “personal entertainment” for that shift!
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Because whether based in fact and real or if they are just stupidly delusional, they perceive a level of entitlement and protection in today's political atmosphere because of the current Presidential Administration.
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ADDITIONAL NOTE AND LINK
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There is a page that discusses in-depth,
How to spot fake news, called...
Identifying Fake News in the Time of Corona – Ultimate Guide to Avoid Panic and Indifference
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By
Sharon Hurley Hall

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STOP! 

READ BELOW DISCLAIMER BEFORE CLICKING!
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Disclaimer.

It seems on the face of it a very good guide.

BUT HONESTLY!

I have only given this a cursory read and have NOT thoroughly checked the site.

I am NOT sponsored by them in any way.
So readers discretion and your own analysis are advised.
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But either way, It is definitely worth a second look and a more thorough read!
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REMEMBER!
This link takes you to an unaffiliated website.
Use best Internet Common Sense before clicking any further links from there!

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Identifying Fake News in the Time of Corona – Ultimate Guide to Avoid Panic and Indifference
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Sharon Hurley Hall
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https://www.websiteplanet.com/blog/fake-news-and-digital-marketing/
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“IF” I could get Donald Trump alone,
Could I beat him in a fight for 20£??
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Just a few Follow up hypothetical questions.
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1)
Can the Challenger choose to fight him 6 ish hours after his exercise “Leg Day”?
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Does have to know you are coming?
Or can you blindside him as he stumbles drunk out of a pub?
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“If“, you are allowed to blindside him, are you also allowed to spike his pint first?
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Are you allowed to use personal l information about any family tragedies he might have, to make him lose his temper, so he swings wildly and loses focus?
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Can I also have a bunch of 5 or 6, 11-year-old D&D players? 

As my back up crew?
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Can you use a weapon?
I am thinking maybe a Mortar, an RPG or maybe a geocentric orbital Mass Driver!
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7)
As he is in his 70's
Can I wait until he is struggling to breathe because of contracting coronavirus first?
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Can I have full body armour?
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Can my full body armour be spiked, with the spikes electrified with 20 k volts and tipped with fast-acting nerve toxin??
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Is he a very deep sleeper?
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Hay!
Cool!
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'If' I am allowed all of that!
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If I am allowed all of that at once, at the same time!
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Then that increases my odds up to about 5%! (20 to 1).
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For 20 quid I'd "Have a go"! 

(if someone else pays ALL expenses!) 
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It may seem cowardly of me,
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After all,
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As the target is a total stranger,
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He is no longer a “REAL” fellow human being,
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He is merely a “Problem to solve” for 20£!
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I know we are effectively talking about beating an old man for £20!
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But people have done far worse than That morally,
for far Less remuneration!
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IE:
Anyone that works with children in Trumps ICE squad!
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And they all seem to sleep ok each night!
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IMPORTANT NOTE!
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ALTHOUGH I HAVE RESORTED TO OFFERING ADVERTISING ON THIS BLOG SITE!
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ADVERTISING AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS PAGE!
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WILL NEVER EVER BE MADE AVAILABLE!
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EVER!

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I DO NOT GIVE 2 CRAPS ABOUT HOW THE,
"REAL WORLD WORKS"

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I POINT BLANK REFUSE TO FINANCIALLY GAIN FORM THE SUFFERING OF CHILDREN!

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SCREW THAT!

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NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!
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For admin use
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UPDATE! 25th FEB 2019
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"Lest we forget"
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The “Children In Cages” discussion.
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The Vital background information you need to know!
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Not just mere opinion,
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Supported with 9 sources and their links, including an official government document!
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